Shell wrote: (Bold)
Paul wrote: (regular)
Abortion is a life and death issue. How can you just not vote that direction anymore? As a man, don’t you feel the obligation to protect the most vulnerable? Women and children? The democrat party is slaughtering little babies, the are for maiming children, cutting off penis’ of boys who are told they should be girls and are cutting off the e healthy breast of young girls are told to be boys.
I turned away from the anti-abortion party after voting for Bush in 2004 due to impending Supreme Court appointments because after he won that election he wanted to privatize Social Security. That’s not a good thing for sure – it might be, but there is no guarantee as the current Social Security system provides. The democrat party is not maiming children or doing those other things. They are not criminalizing those things. I am anti-abortion, but I think the best way to facilitate those unwanted births is to talk kind-heartedly with the mothers and share with them non-judgmentally as Jesus worked with sinners what they could consider, AND provide economic assistance for those in need. Same for sexual identity issues.
The democrat party objectively oppresses people, it’s undeniable. The party of the KKK was party of the Democrats.
You mentioned earlier “How can anyone be a Christian and vote democrat right now?!” and I think we should keep the conversation to the current time (“right now”). The parties have changed and the KKK issues I don’t think is relevant any more. The statistics from Thomas Sowell are relevant and true (I accept) however, I don’t think he is correct in their cause and meaning.
Ask yourself a question, who’s really focused more on skin color right now? Democrats who is focused on skin color in the 1860s? Democrats. Fatherlessness in black homes prior to the great society program was at 22%, just 30 years after that program, fatherlessness went up to 75%.
Thomas Sowell, a black brother in the Lord, said this, the welfare state did more damage to black America than segregation did post America.
The people more focused on skin color and race/ethnicity are the people of those ski colors and ethnicities. The black people are behind black lives matter. The native Americans are behind their actions. Those actions challenge the status quo. The democratic party (not all democrats – Hillary was a corporate pawn, so was Bill I think) is more for those groups of people than for corporate support. President Obama actually said, and I agree with his position, that children like his daughter (black and wealthy) don’t need affirmative action. He was correct to point out is more of an economic/poverty concern than a race concern.
The Republican party has always been the party that says you as an individual matter. Skin color is indifferent. It’s culture. Democrats have always been focused on skin color and killing babies and oppression of the people. They want people dependent on them. It’s sick. They operate on collectivized control.
I believe that the Republican Party has become the party of the corporation. I’m not sure what you mean by culture. But it seems to me that the Republican Party is in favor of the Business of America is Business idea. That to me is very sad. The business of America can be whatever America decides it should be. The business I’m interested in is the Business of Jesus as he came to live as an example for those that would follow him. The business I see him involved in is having no place to lay his head and being okay with that. I see him involved in opposing the money changers (middle men) profiteering off of the people. I see him involved in loving his neighbor who is not from his homeland. This is the business that I want to be my business. Of course, until he comes again and brings the fulfillment of the Kingdom of God – in which we will ““Come, all you who are thirsty, come to the waters; and you who have no money, come, buy and eat! Come, buy wine and milk without money and without cost.” Isaiah 55:1
Isaiah 3 says that when women rule over you, this is a sign of judgment. Don’t give your strength to women.
Isaiah 3:12 is addressing a specific set of rulers. They may possibly be women as most English translations read. However, whether they are women or not, it does not imply that all such leaders (women or the other interpretation we’ll get to) shouldn’t be leaders. There are other passages of scripture that have women ordained by God as leaders (Judges 4). Now regarding the other interpretation for Isaiah 3:12, the original Hebrew could have very well meant “creditors.” Some translations, including the original Greek translation of the Hebrew scriptures known as the Septuagint as well as the current New English Translation, do just that. Here’s how Isaiah 3:12 in the NET reads:
Oppressors treat my people cruelly;
creditors rule over them.
My people, your leaders mislead you;
they give you confusing directions.
You are speaking of yourself as a business man that it doesn’t really matter, should we just be workers of and dependent on the state rather than free men in a free society?
We should be free men in a free society, but we are not free men and women if we can not get paid a living wage from our employers. What so many of us are now is workers dependent on our employer, not free to move around from one to another without losing health care, restricted by non-compete agreements, and so on. I have a friend that was a Walmart employee and they couldn’t take a second part time job at Dollar General, they were told, because Walmart wouldn’t let them due to a non-compete clause in their employment contract. I would rather be under the control of a government that I could vote on rather than an employer that I can’t; and the employers I’ve worked for most in the last 30 years repeatedly told me to stay in my box/stay in my lane. So, I was never free working at any corporation.
The open/no border policy of the left is a sex traffickers paradise. There are over 320,000 young children now totally missing due to sex traffickers. How can we as Christian’s vote for these policies? Abortion? Open borders, the maiming of young children, socialism and Marxism? You can’t. Christians need to repent.
Paul, with all due respect, you’re not sounding like a Christian.
I believe in my heart and confess with my mouth that Jesus is Lord and that God raised him from the dead. To me a Christian is one who is a “little Christ” or like Christ. I believe that all those things are wrong that you mention (except Socialism – As C.S. Lewis said in his book Mere Christianity – because that is the what a Christian Biblical economy would look like; and don’t confuse Socialism itself and how Socialism has been practiced by some countries.) And when I look at the Bible and how it showed us how Jesus lived, he did not impose his beliefs on moral sinners, he imposed them on economic sinners (money changers), and spoke against religious hypocrites. Jesus says he did not come to condemn (John 3:17). And in action, when faced with a sinner about to pay the price for their sins he did not condemn her and only allowed those who had no sin to apply the legal punishment to those who do. It's not time yet to condemn sinners. God will punish in his time, not ours. As such, and with all kindness, gentleness, patience, and love, regardless of how one votes, I might be sounding more like a “little Christ”.
Our Societies, the most vulnerable among us, innocent children in the womb need Christian men to stand up for them, not capitulate in apathy.
I am not capitulating a position against life. I support family support groups such as Zoe Care in Bozeman. I do not believe making something illegal is a way to approach this issue. Kind, loving care and intervention is needed. I would totally be in favor of a law that required spiritual counseling in the early stages of a person’s consideration of an abortion. I believe that God is Sovereign! He knit us together in our mother’s womb (Psalm 139) and even before he formed us in the womb (before conception even) he knew us (Jer 1). What that means to me is that he knows the miscarried baby as well as the born one; the aborted baby as well as the born one, the deformed child that dies in the womb as well as the born one. All of those are in heaven with him – they have not met what we call the age of accountability. They are saved – as Christians are. There is no apathy here. I make a hard choice to stand with the poor and needy neighbor oppressed by their employers as I was called to when in missionary training with Youth With A Mission and I received the life verses from Isaiah 58:3-10:
Isaiah 58:3-10
3‘Why have we fasted,’ they say, ‘and You have not seen?
Why have we afflicted our souls, and You take no notice?’
“In fact, in the day of your fast you find pleasure,
And [b]exploit all your laborers.
4 Indeed you fast for strife and debate,
And to strike with the fist of wickedness.
You will not fast as you do this day,
To make your voice heard on high.
5 Is it a fast that I have chosen,
A day for a man to afflict his soul?
Is it to bow down his head like a bulrush,
And to spread out sackcloth and ashes?
Would you call this a fast,
And an acceptable day to the Lord?
6 “Is this not the fast that I have chosen:
To loose the bonds of wickedness,
To undo the [c]heavy burdens,
To let the oppressed go free,
And that you break every yoke?
7 Is it not to share your bread with the hungry,
And that you bring to your house the poor who are [d]cast out;
When you see the naked, that you cover him,
And not hide yourself from your own flesh?
8 Then your light shall break forth like the morning,
Your healing shall spring forth speedily,
And your righteousness shall go before you;
The glory of the Lord shall be your rear guard.
9 Then you shall call, and the Lord will answer;
You shall cry, and He will say, ‘Here I am.’
“If you take away the yoke from your midst,
The [e]pointing of the finger, and speaking wickedness,
10 If you extend your soul to the hungry
And satisfy the afflicted soul,
Then your light shall dawn in the darkness,
And your [f]darkness shall be as the noonday.
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